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Tropical Storm Emily remains weak with roadblocks ahead
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6:14 PM GMT on August 02, 2011 +20
Tropical Storm Emily took a moment to pause this morning, with no forward motion to speak of in the 11am EDT advisory from the National Hurricane Center, who say Emily might have been reorganizing. Emily eventually picked up some speed, and was moving west at 12 mph with maximum sustained winds of 45 mph in the 2pm EDT advisory. Satellite loops suggest that the storm has improved since yesterday, with strong thunderstorm activity surrounding the center of circulation accompanied by moderately strong outflow at higher levels. Recent satellite estimates of circulation show some consolidation at low levels (850mb), but weak circulation at higher levels (500mb). Despite the organized presentation on satellite, Hurricane Hunters found a generally disorganized storm this morning, with multiple potential centers. The lowest pressure that the Hunters found was 1007mb. Wind shear remains strong to the north of the storm, and this feature extends west across Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. Dry air, which has been lingering to the north of the system for the past few days, has begun to wrap around the northwest side of the storm. This, along with high wind shear along its potential track, could delay or prevent further intensification over the life of the storm. Another Hurricane Hunter mission is on its way to Emily now.


Figure 1. Visible satellite of Tropical Storm Emily at 1pm EDT.

Forecast for Tropical Storm Emily
The official forecast for Emily is a track toward the west-northwest over the next day and a half, after which it will make a turn to the northwest, and by Saturday, to the north. Although the National Hurricane Center has been shifting the forecast track to the east over the past few advisories, the U.S. coastline is still within the cone of uncertainty, and if we know something about this storm, it's that the forecast is uncertain. The CMC continues to be the western boundary of the model track forecasts, bringing Emily over Cuba and into the far eastern Gulf of Mexico. Today, on the eastern boundary of potential tracks fall the HWRF and the GFDL, which forecast Emily to cross over Hispaniola on a north-northwest trajectory, skirting the eastern edge of the Bahamas, and turning northeast before ever making connection with the U.S. coast. The Hurricane Center's official track follows the model consensus, and is the most likely track. Today, Emily is not forecast to strengthen into a hurricane within the next five days by the National Hurricane Center nor most of the models. Consensus seems to be that the storm will max out at a moderate to strong tropical cyclone, but this is assuming the storm can survive the wrath of Hispaniola.

Surviving Hispaniola

Hispaniola is somewhat notorious for being a major disruptor to tropical cyclones that dare cross over it. Since 1950, around two dozen tropical cyclones have crossed Hispaniola near where the National Hurricane Center is forecasting that Emily will pass over. A handful of these cyclones were of similar intensity with a track that was similar to Emily's forecast by various models, and although some went on to intensify (the warm Gulf of Mexico waters can be quite healing) many were fatally disrupted by the second largest island in the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Tropical cyclones that have crossed Hispaniola since 1950 (plotted using the NOAA Historical Hurricane Tracker).

Fay of 2008 developed in the Mona Passage on August 15th as a tropical storm. After a rough track westward over the length of Hispaniola, Fay emerged back into open water with little to no organized circulation, but managed to survive, and skirted the southern coast of Cuba for the next couple of days before turning north toward Florida. Many remember 2008's Fay as the storm that intensified and developed an eye-like feature over Florida after making landfall.

Cindy of 1993 was not as lucky in a battle with Hispaniola. Cindy developed as a tropical depression just east of the Lesser Antilles, and over the course of two days, tracked west-northwest through the Caribbean toward Hispaniola, strengthening into a tropical storm and reaching peak intensity just before landfall. Almost immediately upon landfall in the Dominican Republic, Tropical Storm Cindy deteriorated and the National Hurricane Center stopped issuing advisories on the system.

Emily of 1987 developed well east of the Lesser Antilles in late September and tracked northwest into the Caribbean, where it underwent a period of rapid intensification and was upgraded to a hurricane and then a major hurricane (category 3) just before landfall in the Dominican Republic. As the hurricane approached Hispaniola, it began deteriorating, and within 12 hours of landfall, Emily had weakened to a tropical storm and never regained its strength. Emily then took a turn to the northeast and tracked into the open Atlantic. Hurricane Katie of 1955 had a similar fate.

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1501. GetReal 12:05 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    






After closely observing the WV loop, and latest steering layer currents, I am of the opinion that Emily will continue to track to the left of the official NHC forecast. Even worse, it appears that the high pressure over the SE CONUS, and the Azore/Bermuda high are beginning to build a bridge between them, closing Emily's escape route NW towards the Bahamas. I'll be watching to see if that weakness over the Bahamas continues to close.
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1502. bird72 12:05 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
The old mid-level circulation is very evident now on satellite east of Emily's surface center, due west of Guadelope. As this dissipates, a new one should develop from the bottom up over Emily's surface center as the strengthening process continues.


I live in Puerto Rico, what that means to us?
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1503. bahamacast 12:05 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
TU, Bahamacast. U live in the area?
Great Exuma east of George Town.
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1504. scCane 12:05 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Ameister12:

The NHC is not always correct on intensity. Eugene in the East Pacific was originally suppose to become a category 1, but now it's close to becoming a category 3.
The difference is that Eugene is in the open sea and isn't forecasted to cross an island that is notorious for ripping tropical cyclones apart.
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1505. aquak9 12:06 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
iamajeepsmom- I'm with ya on the cat food. Them cute little varmints will kill ya in the middle of the night if ya don't feed'm proper.

don't forget the kitty litter, too.
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1506. dolig 12:06 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting tea3781:
anybody have the link to the models?



hereyago:


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=models &cp=6&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1639&bih=931&wrap id=tljp1312329809507010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&sou rce=og&sa=N&tab=wi
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1507. HurricaneDean07 12:06 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Emily Probabilities:
Intensity~

Tropical Storm,
Minimal: 100%(Already stronger)
Moderate: 100%(Already at this intensity)
Strong: 77%

Hurricane,
Category 1: 42%
Category 2: 20%

Major Hurricane,
Category 3: 6%
Category 4: 1%
Category 5: <1%

Forecast Track:
Over Hispanoila: 89%, Then into the SE US: 53%
Over Hispanoila: 89%, Then out to sea: 42%:
Over Hispanoila: 89%, Then northeastward into Bermuda: 5%
Moves Westward(Stays Weak): 11%
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1508. weathermanwannabe 12:06 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
As several have noted, we will not have a real idea of the exact track, post-Hispanola, until we see what is left; a very weak remnant/depression may drift a little to west before reforming, if it can even recover, so I think it is to close to call at the moment (somewhere between Florida and the Bahamas). Unfortunately, Hispanola/Haiti will take the initial hit again for the US and I feel sorry for those folks with all of the rain and mudslides which they are going to receive under an already fragile recovery effort after the Earthquake.
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1510. Tazmanian 12:06 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
That's a big shift west with the GFDL. It's been hanging around the TVCN, I am curious to see of it will shift west as well @ 00Z.




but still a little too close too home on some mode runs
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1512. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:06 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
The old mid-level circulation is very evident now on satellite east of Emily's surface center, due west of Guadelope. As this dissipates, a new one should develop from the bottom up over Emily's surface center as the strengthening process continues.


Hey Levi, look at this:

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1514. WatcherCI 12:07 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
if by 2am in the morn Emily does not reach 17N or even 16.8N and 67.5W or 68W I think we will have a major shift in forecast track to the West
Why do you always wish cast it to Cayman?
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1515. Tazmanian 12:07 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Hey Levi, look at this:




is there a new one?
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1516. HurricaneHunterJoe 12:08 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Methurricanes:

Why are the modles trending east, when Emily keeps going SW of forcasted points, also as it gets stronger, faster, and larger it will get harder to turn. yet the modles keep going North&East


wishcasting input
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1517. Ameister12 12:08 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Dry air is still a problem for Emily.
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1518. iamajeepmom 12:08 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
My neighbor Elway just got back from the corner tavern in uptown New Orleans. He said the word there is that we are all clear from Emily. But he says the next one Franklin is brewing and headed in our direction. Is this true or has Elway had too many to drink?


I suppose it depends what Elway drinks?
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1520. Levi32 12:08 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
This is not an eyewall seen here in the microwave image. It is a random pattern beneath the MCS that developed this afternoon, indicating that the system is still disorganized. If you're looking for the center on that image, it is likely here:

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1521. IKE 12:08 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    

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1522. cybergrump 12:08 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting GetReal:






After closely observing the WV loop, and latest steering layer currents, I am of the opinion that Emily will continue to track to the left of the official NHC forecast. Even worse, it appears that the high pressure over the SE CONUS, and the Azore/Bermuda high are beginning to build a bridge between them, closing Emily's escape route NW towards the Bahamas. I'll be watching to see if that weakness over the Bahamas continues to close.


I feel the same. Im waiting for the new steering currents to come in to see if the gap closes or opens.
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1523. wpb 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
both hurricand models shifted west.
remember the hispanola factor
many storms have crossed not many
have much of anything left.
forecast path is the worst for emily
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1524. HurricaneKing 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting GetReal:






After closely observing the WV loop, and latest steering layer currents, I am of the opinion that Emily will continue to track to the left of the official NHC forecast. Even worse, it appears that the high pressure over the SE CONUS, and the Azore/Bermuda high are beginning to build a bridge between them, closing Emily's escape route NW towards the Bahamas. I'll be watching to see if that weakness over the Bahamas continues to close.


I've been watching that all day. The weakness has slowly began to fill at least on the steering currents chart. On the water vapor it almost looks like the trough is still trying to dig. Either way very interesting to see how the next 24 hours plays out.
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1525. Tazmanian 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
This is not an eyewall seen here in the microwave image. It is a random pattern beneath the MCS that developed this afternoon, indicating that the system is still disorganized. If you're looking for the center on that image, it is likely here:





hmmmm
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1526. Chicklit 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting violet312s:


Yes but the main threat from Emily is from flooding rains, particularly for Haiti. Flooding rains kill more than do high winds almost across the board for hurricanes/storms.

My thoughts and prayers for the people of Haiti.

Agree Violet. This is the big problem at present.
Anyway, have a nice evening folks.
Paying for my vacation with many exhausting days in a row and I like getting up early in the a.m.!
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1527. HurricaneHunterJoe 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:
eyewall forming???



if it is,Emily relocating south again
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1528. GTcooliebai 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting GetReal:






After closely observing the WV loop, and latest steering layer currents, I am of the opinion that Emily will continue to track to the left of the official NHC forecast. Even worse, it appears that the high pressure over the SE CONUS, and the Azore/Bermuda high are beginning to build a bridge between them, closing Emily's escape route NW towards the Bahamas. I'll be watching to see if that weakness over the Bahamas continues to close.
So if Trough #1 comes & lifts out without pulling Emily Northwards, then it has to wait for trough #2, so in the mean time west it goes.
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1530. ecflweatherfan 12:09 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
It is important to note... although we are seeing shifts westward in some of the models, this is quite common. It is important not to rely on a "momentary" trend and take that as gospel. There are still a couple days to go before ANY possible impacts on the CONUS.
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1531. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:10 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
This is not an eyewall seen here in the microwave image. It is a random pattern beneath the MCS that developed this afternoon, indicating that the system is still disorganized. If you're looking for the center on that image, it is likely here:



Are you sure? Post #1512.
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1532. Matt1989 12:10 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting scCane:
The difference is that Eugene is in the open sea and isn't forecasted to cross an island that is notorious for ripping tropical cyclones apart.
lolol +1
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1533. ProgressivePulse 12:11 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting DestinJeff:


Yes, I think so.

Need to check initialization point. Sometime that can throw a solution all kinds of out of whack.

Since this is a two-trough steering set-up, there are a lot of moving parts. That recurve is not set in stone.


Filled up both the cars today. Way to close for comfort, even if it were to follow the current track.
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1535. Tazmanian 12:11 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
can we wait in tell recon too comefrom this be for jumping the gune lol
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1536. Levi32 12:12 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting bird72:


I live in Puerto Rico, what that means to us?


The mid-level circulation is inconsequential to the impacts that will be felt in PR. Rain bands with winds near or just below tropical storm force will likely be around for the next 24-36 hours. Emily may have yet to make her closest pass to PR, which should occur before she makes landfall in the Dominican Republic.
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1537. MiamiHurricanes09 12:12 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
can we wait in tell recon too comefrom this be for jumping the gune lol
If there were an eyewall it would be evident on radar.
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1539. Skyepony (Mod) 12:12 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
My neighbor Elway just got back from the corner tavern in uptown New Orleans. He said the word there is that we are all clear from Emily. But he says the next one Franklin is brewing and headed in our direction. Is this true or has Elway had too many to drink?


Elway's forecast doesn't sound to diluted. I bet he's refering to the blob behind Emily..could be an invest anytime. They've been going mostly one high then one low so far. Little early to say if NOLA is doomed yet but one for ya'll to watch.

Click pic to animate..
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1540. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:12 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
If there were an eyewall it would be evident on radar.


Is it?
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1542. tea3781 12:13 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
link for the GFDL and HWRF?
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1543. MrstormX 12:13 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Who knows how far West this will go, but the bottom line is that it is going to curve North sooner or later so just be prepared for anything. Earl went farther West then expected while it was in the Caribbean but once it got near the CONUS it remained farther East then expected. The bottom line is that direction and location is dynamic, expect the expected and sometimes the unexpected.
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1544. stormhank 12:13 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
I noticed the HWRF 18z run has emily riding up east coast similiar to david in 1979...but models do flip flop..I dont think any of us will know the affects on SE coast until after she emerges north of haiti
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1545. Levi32 12:13 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Are you sure? Post #1512.


Um, same image.
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1546. MrstormX 12:15 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Is it?


Not rly:

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1547. MiamiHurricanes09 12:15 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Is it?
Nada. The eastern semicircle can be noted quite well though.

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1548. bappit 12:15 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting IKE:


Notice what looks like an outflow boundary moving NW away from the center in that radar loop. Dry air is eroding Emily. Indicates bad news on Emily's door step.
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1549. presslord 12:16 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting DestinJeff:


haha.... you said system.


I'm way more impressed he said 'penal'
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1550. HurricaneHunterJoe 12:16 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting charlottefl:
Local update from Jim Reif:

Emily has been gaining a little strength today. The satellite presentation of the storm shows Emily has a more round and symmetrical appearance…and a hurricane hunter plane confirms that the system is better organized.

Emily should slowly gain strength tonight and much of tomorrow as she continues to track over the warm waters of the Caribbean Sea.

The next issue ahead of the storm is Hispaniola, the large island of the Greater Antilles that is home to Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

What's significant here are the 10,000 foot mountains that make up the spine of this island.

Many a hurricane and tropical storm has been torn apart by the journey over these mountains…and we're hoping that Emily loses some of her structure crossing Hispaniola Wednesday night and early Thursday.

We're also seeing some subtle changes in the longer range computer model forecasts.

The Bermuda high that's currently steering Emily is looking a little weaker than earlier model solutions projected.

A weaker high pressure would allow what's left of the storm to turn more toward the North, and aim toward the eastern Bahamas, rather than Florida. The track models for Emily are seeing this subtle change…and have shifted a little bit to the right (East) in their latest forecasts.

It's way too early to breathe a sigh of relief.

Florida is still in the 5 day cone of concern for the upcoming weekend. But if these model trends are repeated on the new guidance runs tonight and again tomorrow, that would be encouraging.
Golly, is that guy still around? He was on the Ft Myers tv when I lived in Naples from 85-91.
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1551. Tazmanian 12:16 AM GMT on August 03, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
If there were an eyewall it would be evident on radar.



this one thing the rader from PR is too far a way yet too tell LOL
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